Pontiac Fiero Reverse Engineering ?

[F Body]

We've all seen the poor old Pontiac Fiero turned into all manner of fake Ferrari's and Porsche's etc

However see if you can spot the difference here









Any ideas ?????

[F Body]

Well here's the reverse Engineering bit

It's a real genuine Ferrari 308 but....................................



it's been fitted with a Pontiac Fiero 2.8 V6 Engine





There doesn't seem to be many bidders


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[FUBAR]

what

[ianjpage]

why ........ what ........ ok then...

[philoldsmobile]

uhhh... whatever..

[Andy]

I'm no Ferrari fan, but surely they have some of the best most refined sports engines in the world. What sorta Redneck thinks a poxy TWO POINT EIGHT V6 is an improvement?!

[a91_formula]

Quoting: Andy

poxy TWO POINT EIGHT V6

Watch it......................

[Andy]

Sorry,

In the right car, it makes sense. In a Ferrari..

[Rob]

There is only one good Ferrero........

Now that'll give you a proper bodykit......

[HardRockCamaro]

I suspect it had a blown drivetrain and was bought cheap when the cost of repairing/replacing it by a Ferrari specialist was brought up...
I'm pretty sure that back in the 80s finding someone to work on Italian exotics was pretty difficult and costly.
I know it puts a lot of people off Range Rovers and Jaguars in the USA for the same reason.

[FUBAR]

Quoting: HardRockCamaro

I suspect it had a blown drivetrain and was bought cheap when the cost of repairing/replacing it by a Ferrari specialist was brought up...

I would imagine thats pretty spot on TBH

[philoldsmobile]

I'd also guess that is the case. in the early 80's a lot of ferrari dealers pulled out of the US due to the 308 GT4 (not to be confused with the car here) being the only car they sold stateside, as it wasn't great, and back in the day rather ugly.

it took quite a while for the dealer network and specialists to re establish themselves, the 308 really kick started things in the US and was hugely popular, but specialists took a while to re establish, meaning there was a long period where it was very difficult to get a ferrari worked on anywhere other than the main dealers.

now, good used 308 engines are easy and relatively cheap to find (plentiful supply as rust and accident damage killed 308's faster than the engine - its a very strong unit), but if it was blown up 10 years ago, it would have been a very different situation

there is an article on the 308 in Auto Italia this month, and they state the 308 GT4 dino as almost causing the collapse of ferrari in the US. I wonder if we'd have ferrari at all if that had happened, as in the late 80's and early 90's the US market kept Ferrari in business, no question.

[philoldsmobile]

Quoting: Andy

I'm no Ferrari fan, but surely they have some of the best most refined sports engines in the world. What sorta Redneck thinks a poxy TWO POINT EIGHT V6 is an improvement?!

you think they would have at least done something to compensate for the fact its 100bhp down on the original V8......

[Shifty]

Quoting: HardRockCamaro

I suspect it had a blown drivetrain and was bought cheap when the cost of repairing/replacing it by a Ferrari specialist was brought up...
I'm pretty sure that back in the 80s finding someone to work on Italian exotics was pretty difficult and costly.
I know it puts a lot of people off Range Rovers and Jaguars in the USA fo

Quoting: philoldsmobile

I'd also guess that is the case. in the early 80's a lot of ferrari dealers pulled out of the US due to the 308 GT4 (not to be confused with the car here) being the only car they sold stateside, as it wasn't great, and back in the day rather ugly.

it took quite a while for the dealer network and specialists to re establish themselves, the 308 really kick started things in the US and was hugely popular, but specialists took a while to re establish, meaning there was a long period where it was very difficult to get a ferrari worked on anywhere other than the main dealers.

now, good used 308 engines are easy and relatively cheap to find (plentiful supply as rust and accident damage killed 308's faster than the engine - its a very strong unit), but if it was blown up 10 years ago, it would have been a very different situation

there is an article on the 308 in Auto Italia this month, and they state the 308 GT4 dino as almost causing the collapse of ferrari in the US. I wonder if we'd have ferrari at all if that had happened, as in the late 80's and early 90's the US market kept Ferrari in business, no question.

I to agree with the above but why put such a woefully s**t engine in it, there are so many alternatives that would have been a better choice.

Guess it was the only thing they had to hand at the time.

[Roadkill]

Quoting: Shifty

there are so many alternatives that would have been a better choice.

Like the Northstar . . . .

[FUBAR]

Quoting: Roadkill

Like the Fist of the Northstar . . . .

[philoldsmobile]

Quoting: Roadkill

Like the Northstar . .

ideal, or an oldsmobile araura engine. either would be visually similar to the Ferrari lump, too.

[HardRockCamaro]

Again, depends when it was done.
The Northstar came out in 93 and while a lightweight engine it is very expensive to buy as a crate engine (about $8,500 list for a regular Northstar and about $14,500 for the supercharged version) and was only available as a crate engine from about 2004 I think.
Even second hand they are pretty pricey due to head gasket problems and the high cost of buying a replacement from GM should you be unlucky enough to have said hg problem.
But yes, a Northstar would be a great engine to put in there.