PistonHeads see the light ?

[F Body]

Just for all you

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[philoldsmobile]

I wouldn't hold you're breath, PH is full of 'male chickens'

[Roadkill]

Well done for catering for an obvious sector of the scene . . . . . however PistonHeads is still full of complete w@nkers . . . when they sort that I may join up.

[F Body]

Along the same lines, which is quicker over a given route, the worlds fastest production motorcycle or the worlds fastest production car

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[Roadkill]

Never been a fan of the Veyron . . . It's utterly pointless as a car . . .

[F Body]

Quoting: Roadkill

It's utterly pointless as a car

The point is the amazing engineering, never has much be crammed into a drive line unit

[Incursus]

Quoting: F Body

Quoting: Roadkill
It's utterly pointless as a car


The point is the amazing engineering, never has much be crammed into a drive line unit

 

Kinda like the Bell X-1 of the car world.

[philoldsmobile]

the bugatti is amazingly deficient compared to the BMW - worst of 5mpg for 1001 bhp moving 1.5 tonnes against worst of 25 mpg (5 times less fuel consumption) making 190 bhp (over 5 times less) moving 200kg (7.5 times less)

even without considering the bike will have about 10 times less aerodynamic drag, the Bugatti makes more power and moves more weight per litre of fuel

[philoldsmobile]

Quoting: Incursus

Kinda like the Bell X-1 of the car world.

Exactly. I'm not a fan of the veyron from an aesthetic point of view, but there is no component at all on the bugatti that isn't better than any component on any other car. it is the best car humans know how to build.

[Roadkill]

Quoting: F Body

The point is the amazing engineering

Really ?

And I quote :

" . . . even Pierre-Henri admits it only took a single demonstration lap at Le Mans to melt the Veyron's brakes"

Yeah.   Great that.

The individual components may be good but if it toasts it's brakes after a few heavy plants than it's no better (in that respect) to a 60's Muscle car !!!

[philoldsmobile]

anything will melt the brakes in 1 lap with enough effort.. plus at the end of the mulsane straight it would be doing more than 100 mph more than a muscle car, and stopping 10 times harder.

[Roadkill]

Meh.

It doesn't impress me at all.

It's not reliable, costs a fortune to run / service / repair / buy, is pig ugly and is utterly impractical.

Where's the upside in that ?

You may as well strap a jet engine to the back of a bus, claim it's a feat of engineering then try to claim that it, too, is an incredible "car".

It's comparable to a NASA shuttle . . . . Yet a Shuttle did a job of a shuttle perfectly whereas a Veyron does not do the job of a car at all . . . . It's merely an experiment of how fast you can legally make a "road going" vehicle (an oxymoron as the veyron just isn't suitable for 80% or more of roads) !

[philoldsmobile]

one of the swiss magazines put a grandma in a veyron, and got her to drive across Innsbruck in rush our in the rain, with no prior briefing or tutoring.

she did it with no issue no drama and with no more difficulty than in an audi A6 - pretty unreal for a 1001 bhp car.

it wont overheat in traffic
it wont stall
it wont be difficult to handle unless you do something stupid

it will start every time
and as yet there have been no reliability issues at all.

yes, it costs a fortune to run, but any machine that costs 5million pounds to build, and is that bespoke will

Quoting: parkers

Bugatti bucks convention with the Veyron, its Volkswagen Group parentage meaning although only being built in a handful of numbers the Veyron has to pass all the tests required for VW Group cars. That means the 8.0-litre W16 quad-turbo has been tested at maximum revs in a way that even the most ham-fisted driver could never achieve, while extreme hot and cold weather testing ensures that even in a traffic jam in Dubai the Veyron shouldn't overheat. In the rarefied world of supercars the Veyron should be more reliable than most.

[Roadkill]

Quoting: philoldsmobile

it wont overheat in traffic
it wont stall
it wont be difficult to handle unless you do something stupid
it will start every time

Doesn't that cover pretty much all modern cars these days ?  

Hardly worth £5 Million of investment is it - I'm sure Martyn's Panda achieves the above ?

[philoldsmobile]

Quoting: Roadkill

Doesn't that cover pretty much all modern cars these days

not 1000 bhp ones...... thats why its so amazing, it takes 1000 bhp (normally the territory of temperamental highly tuned race cars) and makes it work like an audi A6 - thats the hard part.

For example, ask ray how long the camaro would take to overheat in a traffic jam in abu dhabi...

[Roadkill]

Quoting: philoldsmobile

For example, ask ray how many of his Camaro's he could build for the cost of just one Veyron

Quoting: philoldsmobile

thats why its so amazing, it takes 1000 bhp (normally the territory of temperamental highly tuned race cars) and makes it work like an audi A6 - thats the hard part.

It would be amazing if they did all that for £300,000

It would be impressive if they did it for £400,000

It would be pretty good if they did it for £500,000

It would be "Meh" if they did it for £600,000

But doing that for £5,000,000 (and then selling it for a fifth of that) . . . . . . . . that's far, far, far from amazing.

Mind you Ferrari's and Lambo's don't float my boat either . . .