1967 Mustang TT Project

[Andy]

Seeing as its mid winter and fun of summer driving is pretty far away, I thought I'd post up some photos of a friends '67 Mustang thats under going the knife to make it a twin turbo setup.

The car is coupe with a Ford Mustang engine from an MG when they were fitting them in the ZTs making it a 5 litre DOHC modular jobbie.



Heres a before with the engine shoe horned in there. Although with the DOHC it fills the bay more, its still has quite a bit of room at the front and around the sides, but access is much easier with the fenders and inner fenders removed..


Hood removed and starting to remove the fenders


Both fenders off, lights and front trim removed.

The first part of the twin turbo install is doing away with the stock A-arms and fabricating up some tubular ones and mounts, and also moving to coil overs on the front. This should allow more room around the heads for the custom exhaust manifolds.


The snails.


Complete front end of a Mustang...


Fender removed and inner fender cut out allowing access to the A-Arms which  are to be removed.


A-arm mount removed and just about to be tidied up before marking a measuring for new fabricated ones to be put in.




Work on other side to remove all the other bits mounted on the inner fender (Fuel pressure regulator, line lock, washer bottle, remote mount oil filter, power steering cooler)


Inner fender getting marked up before seeing the angle grinder.


Seeing the angle grinder


Inspecting the possible clearance issues with the steering box being mounted high up near the fire wall.


End of day one, both inner fenders, removed and A-arm mounts.

With the break over New Year my friend went back to the books and looked into the geometry setup he would need, and with a few calculation came up with making the following mounts.


All this was just tacked in place to check for interference but all seemed ok. Top spindle mounts were recycled from the original nearly new A-Arms and then fabbed onto custom made plate to hold them.


Another shot of the setup.


Also got the FMIC fitted which is just a bit bigger than expected, so some work is going to be needed on the front grill to make it fit.


This is the other side starting to take shape. This will be the tighter side to fit everything round as there is a lot of ancillaries fitted and run on this fender. Added to that, the steering box takes up room. Leaving little rooms for the headers to run back, but fortunately the turbos will be mounted forward of the engine.


A better look at the new tubular A-Arms that are just tacked together for now.


A shot of the reused spindle top mount.

The build is still going on and is expected to for quite some time as it's all new ground to those involved. I must say though its good fun getting stuck in. In the last couple of days working along side him, I've learn quite a few bits and has given me more confidence working on my own car. The only thing that I will say is, I find it far easier working on someone elses car than my own.

[F Body]

Them's is big

Is he planning to do any work on the motor before boosting it that much

[Andy]

Yep, at the moment this is all the seeing where stuff is going to go phase, but once everything fits he's freshening up the bottom end. Although the modular Fords apparently have a very strong bottom end, similar to the LS style where you have a regular 4 bolt mains type deal, with two further bolts going through the side.

At the moment I can't remember exactly what internals he was changing but it should be good for the boost, this is the all aluminium version, which is pretty strong from all accounts.

[Cunning Plan]

Excellent thread and pictures. We need more of this on here

That's a monster engine, even for the gaping engine bay of the Mustang, which usually looks like you could fit two normal engines in there!

I hope those welds are good on the L brackets

Seriously though, amazing fabrication skills

[Roadkill]

Quoting: Cunning Plan

We need more of this on here

Quoting: Cunning Plan

even for the gaping engine bay of the Mustang, which usually looks like you could fit two normal engines in there

Actually the Mustangs have relatively little engine bays as the early ones had 6-cylinders or tiny little V8's.

Quoting: Cunning Plan

Seriously though, amazing fabrication skills

The upper coil mount looks a little flimsy, though - Is he planning on gusseting it back to the frame rail below ???

[Andy]

All the brackets will eventually be pulled off and TIG'd up nice and neat. For the time being the L bracket has a bit more of a solid weld on it as we wanted to see what the travel of the coil over was as we loaded up the suspension.

It ended up having to mod the ARB drop link to shorten it as it did bind at full compression, which shouldn't happen, but better to be safe than sorry.

Its a fun project and the guy who owns it is a real craftsman with an angle grinder. I must admit I've been spoilt with the tools at work that I have access to, although I've already got a few components he could do with being turned up.

[Andy]

Quoting: Roadkill

The upper coil mount looks a little flimsy, though - Is he planning on gusseting it back to the frame rail below ???

I think there is going to be some gusseting. That is 2" box section the upper mounts are made from. That is then going to be welded to the flat 6mm plate that will be welded and bolted to the top of the frame rail. At the moment all of that setup is just tacked to the frame rail so it can all be removed as one to be TIG'd and all the positions are kept the same.

[Big Mouse]

Twin turbos usually equals a desire for a lot more power - which will be sure to find any and every weakness in that fabrication.

I'm no expert by a long chalk, but having spent a lot of time around modified cars and in WRE's workshop, I'm waiting to see how he intends to tie all that back in to make it a stiff front section, the top of the coil mount in particular.

I remember speaking to Jon Webster and asking him whether it was feasible to do something similar with the camaro's front end. . He went into detail way above my head as to why it was easier, cheaper and infinitely safer just to put a front clip on the car rather than trying to alter the pressed steel manufacturers frame.

From purely a tradesmen point of view I wouldn't want anybody working on my car in a garage that untidy

[Andy]

Being honest, I'm not 100% sure myself, but will report back as it gets made

He is going to be strengthening up the front rails some with some box section between the two.

[art b]

interesting...
fair play for the effort and knowledge going into it ...

and they do look like big turbos...

can they be too big ...[turbo lag]...
i would have thought two smaller ones would spool up quicker..

i mostly see cars, that have had turbos upgraded or tweaked tend to go bang more often than not..or the turbos are constantly being repaired..

[Roadkill]

I don't know much about turbos but a guy I know in the states had one that size on a big block Cadillac motor ...... It's cool that he's going TT but one would've been ample.

Keep the updates coming - positive or not, it's good to be discussing some car stuff ...... Even if it is a Ford.

[Ralph]

Ah the old McQueen Mustang (yes that doesn't makes sense as it's not the car from Bullitt, but after watching this man jump it over a hump backed bridge he has earnt that nickname)

It's going to be one hell of a weapon! With all of his experience in the motor world and some of the mental machines this man has made it will work and work very well at that too!

Popping down to the shop next weekend so be good to see what happens next!

All the front will be sorted out as and when he has a rough idea of where the pipes will be running which he has kind of sussed out now so there will be some tubing going in and supports running down to the top mounts.

I'm sure this Mustang will take flight again one day so it will be built to be driven hard!

[Andy]

Should be some more updates to this thread this weekend. Going over to see what happening some time tomorrow after I've finished drying out my Camaro and stripped down the door.

[Roadkill]

Quoting: Andy

after I've finished drying out my Camaro and stripped down the door.

T-Tops ?

[F Body]

Quoting: Roadkill

Quoting: Andy
after I've finished drying out my Camaro and stripped down the door.

T-Tops ?

More than likely, that's one of few things that they actually cured on the 4th Gen

Well once they decided that since they couldn't make the outer seals water tight and gave up by just having inner seals on the glass. Very water tight but lots of wind noise at high speed

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[Big Mouse]

Never noticed the wind noise in mine at high speed lol

[Andy]

Quoting: Roadkill

T-Tops ?

Quoting: F Body

More than likely, that's one of few things that they actually cured on the 4th Gen  

Actually, no you'll be surprised to hear! That little black plastic triangle right at the front of the door on the passenger side. There appear to be two bits of rubber fused together and one bit has come away from the other and now wont seal again the door rubber.

I have a spare which I picked up years and years ago, but from the looks of the manual its a complete bitch to put back in.

T-tops do leak though, I think they came factory fitted with fricking holes in the things.

[Andy]

Well it has been a while since I dropped in and helped out with this build, but yesterday I finally got a chance to catch up with this build and help out with what I could.

It has been taking a while as 'McQueen' - the guy who is building it, has been rather busy with work and trying to get parts from the states has been some what annoying.

Whats happened since the last update...

The suspension, it has had several modifications to it and has now been reworked for better header space as that is the hardest thing on this build, the location and placement for the turbos and headers feeding them. They have also been strengthened, tested and built back into the bulkhead of the chassis with steel tubing. The whole set up was removed before final welding to the chassis rails to be tig welded up. All of this has then been finished with a coat of anti rust paint and will be smartened up with some ally sheet work.

The engine, it was completely removed and overhauled, some flat top Manley pistons and pins were installed to lower the compression ratio, as well as a new set of rod bolts. There are new Aeromotive fuel rails and injectors going in to supply the larger quantities of fuel for the turbo supply. As well as the fuel rails, a new Aeromotive fuel pump and swirl tank have been fitted in the boot.

Added to this a new clutch and flywheel were installed to cope with the expected power. Although still only rated up to 800hp as that is the maximum aim at the minute as the gearbox is likely to be the next thing that will need upgrading.

So update from yesterday... the flywheel had been holding up the reinstall of the engine from happening as it was on order from the states. With that now fitted, it was just a case of fitting the engine back in the bay, which was now an even tighter fit due to the new steelwork keeping the front end nice and stiff.



The engine took a bit of persuading to get in its mounts, but once in it was a case of getting the gearbox bolts in.

That all fitted, next on the list was bolting on the headers which work around the new chassis bars and upwards towards the inside of the fenders where the turbos are mounted.



Installing the passenger side was pretty easy, but the drivers side was far more difficult due to the steering box and shaft along with just the design of the headers.

With those fitted and the very fiddly header bolt clamps installed next was to mount up the turbos and check their location and fitting of the downpipes.



All that secured, and gaskets fitted, next was reinstalling the radiators, the oil coolers, PAS cooler and the new shiny turbo intercooler. The pipe work fits a charm although I did struggle with working out how to get one pipe through the front hole cut for it.









And thats where work stopped for the day as we'd run out of bit to do before needing some more parts / me needing to machine up some bits.

Hopefully we should have another bash next weekend and then we may be ready to do some final assembly bits before test firing up and seeing how it goes.

[Ralph]

I will be down this weekend to help out making teas and coffee...

[Roadkill]

Looks good . . . the suspension certainly looks more solid, now.

The flaky paint and surface rust on the core support would do my head in . . .  but that's why it takes me sooooo long to finish a bloody project !



Overall . . .

[FUBAR]

hell of a project this, very

[Andy]

Been given a few bits of 'homework' this week to machine bits up, they will then need Tigging up on Sunday to finish them off.

This part is a feed off the water system to supply the turbos with water...

[Roadkill]

Smooth.  I might have some "homework" for you to do, soon, too.  

[Cunning Plan]

Nicely done, very tidy.

[Andy]

Let me know what you're thinking and I'll see when I can fit it in :)