Ryan's Camaro Project Thread...

[FUBAR]

Cheers matey
good advise there

[FUBAR]

Got my New Radiator Catch Tank and Washer Fluid Tanks fitted today

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And also as you may be able to tell from this pic I've also FINALLY put conduit round those red wires running around my engine bay
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[philoldsmobile]

looking good!

new tanks makes the bay look soooo much nicer...

a lot of the show guys in the states actualy change  them before a major show, they are so cheap, and could win or loose a show...

[FUBAR]

Any Comments Guys??

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Just starting to put a List together based on the Edelbrock Power Package Components seen as this is seeming like its going to need doing sooner rather than Later.

The Aim Here: Pep up the 305 without Losing the Computer-Carb Setup.

I would also need a Chip Burning for the ECU to remove the EGR Error Code as the Air-Injection would be going.  Phil What is needed for this?


N.b. The total Cost does not include Both ARP Bolt Sets. (Just the Polished ones atm.

[Jamieg285]

Looking at that :

350's will probably go on, but will not work properly/well.  The bore size is wrong, and will give you stupidly low compression and and on combustion chamber shape.  You really need to get 305 heads, especially if you're trying to 'match' the other Eddy components.  What is the 305 bore?

Wosit-faces - Con-rod bearings.  You'll need to determine the state of the crank first, which means total strip down and inspection.  Same goes for the bore, although that can be done once the heads are off. This might get away with just a hone and new rings.

[Jamieg285]

Also, looking at Summit, you're very limited on Heads, especially if you want ally ones.  GM or Trick Flow are the only ones being listed.

[FUBAR]

The Heads are 60cc chambers on those heads, and as far as I can tell its the heads Edelbrock recommend for the LG4 Power Package.

Con-Rod Bearings Fair doos, there's the ones that actually attach to the block too? (Main Bearings?)   But you're right, none of that can be determined until the engine is out & in bits.

[FUBAR]

Quoting: Jamieg285

Also, looking at Summit, you're very limited on Heads, especially if you want ally ones. GM or Trick Flow are the only ones being listed.

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=EDL%2D60859&N=115&autoview=sku\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=EDL%2D60859&N=115&autoview=sku

Just noticed I'd need rocker Arms too as they aren't included with the heads.

[Jamieg285]

Quoting: FUBAR

Con-Rod Bearings  Fair doos, there's the ones that actually attach to the block too? (Main Bearings?)

Yeah, sorry forgot that.

Quoting: FUBAR

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=EDL%2D60859&N=115&autoview=sku

Won't properly fit the 305.

My recommendation here is contact Edelbrock and tell them what you're after and see what they recommend.

[55starchief]

As jamie says, heads might not be a direct fit. Even if they do swap over you would need to check the clearance for the valves to make sure they wont catch the pistons.

If your gonna put new shells on the crank you will need to have a polish just to be sure so expect to pay about £40ish for that. If you have to have a regrind budget about £150 and whilst its out might as well have it ballanced with pistons and rods would cost £150

Until you strip down you wont be able to determine the condition of the bores, at a minimum yor gonna need new rings and if it requires a rebore
new pistons on one of the + sizes

Personaly i think that http://www.airflowresearch.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.airflowresearch.com/ make better heads than edelbrock and are about the same money

[FUBAR]

Oops,
My Bad.
The Heads Edelbrock recommend for the LG4 are these

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=EDL%2D60759&N=115&autoview=sku\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=EDL%2D60759&N=115&autoview=sku

P/N 60759  these ARE listed as compatible with the smaller blocks (302????) but are Perimeter Bolt Heads. (Thats what threw me off, I went for the centrebolt ones)

70cc Chambers though... isn't that a tad big?

[Jamieg285]

Quoting: Edelbrock

S/B Chevy heads may not be used on engines with less than 4" bore (262, 265, 283, 305, 307 c.i.d.) except with cams having less than .450" valve lift.

3702 Cam lifts - 0.398 0.442 - so it MAY be compatible - Edelbrock would be able to confirm properly.

[Jamieg285]

Quoting: FUBAR

P/N 60759 these ARE listed as compatible with the smaller blocks (302????)

They are all the bigger 4" bore.

Quoting: FUBAR

70cc Chambers though... isn't that a tad big?

For a 305, not ideal.  May be better than what you have, but won't be the best for the cam.

[FUBAR]

Engines are confusing!

[55starchief]

Quoting: FUBAR

Engines are confusing!

Indeed mate.

If i was you i would talk to a couple of engine builders and ask them what they recomend. Im guessing your not gonna put the motor together?

[FUBAR]

Not the Bottom end no, but bolting the top end on I was planning to do yes. Its just what bits to put on thats confusing the hell out of me atm

[55starchief]

How far are you going on the top end? is it intakes or are you going heads,valves lifters rockers etc?

If your doing the lifters i would recomend you have the lifter bores checked for square, might need a hone and worse case scenario might need sleeving if the engine has done high mileage.

Again if your gonna swap out the heads it would be worth having some one check the block for square and posibly a quick pass.

When you build an engine its all the little details people forget that come back as PITA problems at a later date

[FUBAR]

Quoting: 55starchief

if your gonna swap out the heads it would be worth having some one check the block for square and posibly a quick pass.

En Anglais sil vous plait

Well, with those Edelbrock heads being cheap enough I was just going to replace them TBH, but now we're not sure if they'll work properly...

[55starchief]

Quoting: FUBAR

Well, with those Edelbrock heads being cheap enough I was just going to replace them

Its not as easy as that mate. If you were going to put the original heads back on it wouldnt matter but if you are going to change them its advisable to get the block skimmed. This will make sure that the new heads will make good contact

Check for square means that they make sure that the top of the block is paralel all the way along. It helps to make sure that all 8 pistons have the same compression ratio and volume

[FUBAR]

Aah ok

Will make a note of these extra requirements.  Cheers buddy

[55starchief]

Quoting: FUBAR

Will make a note of these extra requirements. Cheers buddy

No problems mate. Some people might say its over kill but engines allways work best when everything has the right tolerances. I have an article from hotrod about a ford motor they were dynoing when it failed. Total destruction was traced back to a warn valve guide

[FUBAR]

Sneaky gits...

Only just noticed that those heads on summit are Priced Individually... I thought that was a bit cheap!.

Oh well, unlikely i'll be changing those then! thats a real bummer because that would make a huge difference I reckon...

Graeme where's that Desktop Dyno program you had?

[FUBAR]

Its a shame these are pricey as they sound like they'd be good... $1210 a pair though

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=NAL%2D12464298&N=4294925232+4294838998+4294908216+4294840138+4294867081+4294867079+115&autoview=sku\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=NAL%2D12464298&N=4294925232+4294838998+4294908216+4294840138+4294867081+4294867079+115&autoview=sku

P/N NAL-12464298 if the link doesn't work.

[55starchief]

Quoting: FUBAR

Graeme where's that Desktop Dyno program you had?

on the forum under desktop dyno

[FUBAR]

Quoting: 55starchief

on the forum under desktop dyno

I used the search function before asking & it only cam up with 4 mentions of DTD, 2 of which (6 now!) are in this thread!