Announcing - Project Garage Mk II - The uber extension !!!

Roadkill · August 24, 2008, 07:52:21 AM

The story so far . . . . . .

As many will know Castle Roadkill began life with a standard 16' x 8' Garage but after purchasing the Caddy - at 19' long - it spent it's first year with the garage door open, bungie-tied around the Caddy's rear bumper.

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Roadkill · August 24, 2008, 08:24:06 AM

Soooo.

All was well.

But I still wanted more . . . . along came many different ideas to increase the length even further and add even more useability to the space.

It was a difficult task as to be blunt, the existing "lean-to" was 12' long - which is pretty much the maximum I'd span timber of this size, unsupported.

Steel was an option - but expensive and as I'd left my old job I could no longer get it for *cough* free.

So I continued until Graeme decided to quit the barn*

*Note at this point that we'd fitted a 17'6" long mezz in the barn a couple of years back.

Ideal.

A new plan was hatched.

Use the steel from that mezz as roof beams to span the distance.
Also I should have enough steel left over to increase the mezz-ed floor, too.

Work began yesterday with the erection (

) of three posts which will become the "far" wall.
Alot of measuring and working out was required so work appeared slow but all got done to plan.
The budget for this build is significatly more so the end result will be alot better.

I was hoping to gain an additional 4'6" - 5' (internally) on what I already had . . . . after the posts were in and the calculations done it's now looking like I'll gain an extra 5'10".

Well worth the effort.

As an extra plus the new extension will also be taller, meaning more head-room, too.

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And here's a random Toad that was chillin' in the steels yesterday morning . . .

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Cunning Plan · August 24, 2008, 09:27:03 AM

Quoting: Roadkill

As an extra plus the new extension will also be taller, meaning more head-room, too.

Cool.. Nice work so far.. How have you put those uprights in, are they dug in then concreted? Looks like you have had to break through the concrete patch if so?

Rocky · August 24, 2008, 11:54:21 AM

When are you free to come and build my garage extension?

Love the floor in the garage what thickness flooring did you use?

Roadkill · August 24, 2008, 02:48:07 PM

Quoting: Cunning Plan

are they dug in then concreted?

They are indeed.

Quoting: Cunning Plan

Looks like you have had to break through the concrete patch if so?

No. The area was a (badly laid) patio - what you can see is a mix of sand and mud.

Because of the sand it actually made digging the (normally M.K clay) ground very easy.

Quoting: Rocky

When are you free to come and build my garage extension?

Honestly ? Never.

I honestly believe I'll never have a "free day" in my life.

Quoting: Rocky

what thickness flooring did you use?

38mm HIGH density PARTICLE board. I empathsise H/D and "Particle" as most you can get is medium density chipboard - which is shite.

Particle board is heavier and more dense.

However to get a close result you could lay two layers of 25mm M/D chipboard - with the top one running perpendicular.

Also I then over-laid the P/B with 6mm oil-tempered hardboard. This gives the super-smooth finish and provides a very good water resistant layer.

F Body · August 24, 2008, 04:36:35 PM

Quoting: Roadkill

No. The area was a (badly laid) patio - what you can see is a mix of sand and buried engines.

May as well go the full hog and go the full length of the garden

Roadkill · August 25, 2008, 12:17:51 PM

Quoting: F Body

go the full length of the garden

It's been tempting, believe me . . But even I have to have some restraint !

Here's a piccy of todays work - again not obviously alot but much of it was calculating the run off angle for the rain water.

I was aiming for as little as possible and the point at which we started was just 1:100 - ie. 10mm drop per metre !

I decided this was just too little (it risked pooling) so increased that to 1:50.

The cross-beam is in and all bracing removed.

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F Body · August 25, 2008, 12:53:45 PM

Quoting: Roadkill

it'll go from 28' to a whopping 33'10" - easily enough to fit two "normal" cars in but, alas, not quite enough when one of them's a Cadillac !

Shouldn't you have made it long enough to fit the Caddy & Camaro in

Big Mouse · August 25, 2008, 01:33:47 PM

Viz tip of the day - Having a problem with fitting two cars into your garage? Try driving the second car into the garage at high speed and use the concertina effect to get that bit of much needed extra space.

Roadkill · August 25, 2008, 04:39:02 PM

Quoting: F Body

Shouldn't you have made it long enough to fit the Caddy & Camaro in

Of course . . . but :

a) As stated I was limited by the steelwork I had available and

b) 19' + 16' = 35' . . . Then plus another 2' for the much needed workbench and storage area/cupboards . . . then another 3'6" to fit in and access my roll cab and you've got 40'6" -> an additional 6'8" required . . not exactly a "little bit".

That 6'8" would put it almost half way down the garden . . . also it would lower the headroom a further 2 1/2" (ish) to achieve the required run-off . . .

I'm not saying it didn't cross my mind . . . but I did do the maths and realise I had to stop somewhere.

ianjpage · August 26, 2008, 02:38:05 AM

looking good

Roadkill · August 26, 2008, 04:00:06 PM

Cheers Ian !

Have just got back from a shopping trip to buy the bulk of the roofing panels / felt materials.

All systems go for the weekend . . . .

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. . . . . . . . . . . . . .Weather permitting.

Cunning Plan · August 26, 2008, 04:41:47 PM

Quoting: Roadkill

All systems go for the weekend . . . .

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. . . . . . . . . . . . . .Weather permitting.

Clever guy, i like making my own stuff as much as I can, makes you acheive something, like at the moment I am halfway through a decking build of 4m square for my parents at their new pad in Norfolk.. Me build.. :monkey:

ianjpage · August 26, 2008, 05:00:25 PM

Quoting: Roadkill

Cheers Ian !

No probs - definately got your work cut out for the weekend

art b · August 26, 2008, 07:24:21 PM

im building an ubershed at the mo,

3m x 3m the timber,screws,wood treatment,glass,hinges,felt etc has been around 300 bucks,

its looking cool though, pics to follow

Roadkill · August 31, 2008, 08:35:34 AM

Thanks to Ryan, Titsy and Chris for assistance yesterday.

I/we got the old lean-to down fairly quickly yesterday (most of it I'd done during the week).

Alot got done but unfortunately a 40 minute shopping trip for timber and coach screws turned into two hours and that kinda killed a large part of the day.

Still. The roof steels are up, bolted in place and ready to go.

I need to add another beam to the outside before the OSB boards are screwed down forming the roof - and am hoping to do some of that today inbetween the rain . . . .

Fingers crossed.

Here's some piccy's . . . With the steels in place the size is becoming apparent.

Jo · August 31, 2008, 09:00:43 AM

Looking cool

F Body · August 31, 2008, 11:19:56 AM

Quoting: Podette

Looking ~~cool~~ BIG

May be a workshop above it

NB: I thumb nailed the photos because it was taking so long to load the thread

Roadkill · August 31, 2008, 04:32:05 PM

Quoting: F Body

I thumb nailed the photos because it was taking so long to load the thread

That's your dodgy, slow Fire Fox, Martyn.

Roadkill · September 01, 2008, 03:53:25 AM

Typical !

Monday morning - back to work - and it's clear and dry.

EDGE · September 01, 2008, 07:17:41 AM

how are thos teels bolted to the original wall dude ? I need to extend my garage too, this looks a way easier way of doing it than i was thinking of....

Roadkill · September 01, 2008, 07:44:51 AM

That's best explained if I take a picture - but -

On the ends of the steels there's bolted a cleat (angle bracket) that is coach-screwed to a piece of 3"x3" timber.
The timber is seated on the lower flange of a 254x102 U.B I have supporting the rear part of the garage roof.
The timber is then packed square and level and restrained by a series of screws bolted through the web of the beam into the timber.

It's not ideal but will easily survive the loadings it'll see . . .

EDGE · September 01, 2008, 08:23:26 AM

ah right, so the weight it supported there, and at the other end its just supported by those 3 uprights! is that enough ? (not picking, just asking)

Roadkill · September 01, 2008, 08:54:38 AM

Quoting: EDGE

is that enough ?

Yes. That said timber isn't an exact science.

Steel is easy to rate whereas timber is graded (I believe) so not as simple.

There'll be some sway factor on the structure to add in but to counter this I'll be adding plenty of knee-bracing to ensure it stays rigid.

The three uprights are about 22" into the ground and set in concrete, by the way.

It'll certainly look more solid as more support is added.

EDGE · September 01, 2008, 09:31:58 AM

so those 3 will hold the weight of half the roof, or more if its tilted down at that end.. ?